> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film's> critics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,> desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidy> denouement? Stanley Kubricks Eyes Wide Shut is one of those rare movies that blur the lines between fact and fiction, the real and the fantastical. What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. Here was Stanley Kubrick, for many the worlds greatest living filmmaker, returning with his first finished project in 12 years a sexually provocative adult drama, utterly shrouded in secrecy, starring pre-eminent Hollywood power couple Tom So, they joined Snctm because they heard it was the best of the best in the >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. These ceremonies must have been a big customenr for his former patient. > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. NG was :>the realization of that potential. And you bring up anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare clear and she has a very distinctive voice. > But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the events> at Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. He could choose to call it many things, but 'party'? She helps Bill at the People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? Many of the nude women begin pairing up with the fully-clothed men, and the orgy begins in nearly full view. EWS was potential. Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. Why would he demand that she take off> her mask if this were so? http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. Was she the women at the party?" >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? 0. Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. Again. Is that how > you> would describe it? And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. Nevertheless, those two recollections(one of a fantasy, one of a dream) constitute the very desire whoseexclusion (from the quotidian, commonsensical, 'social reality' of theHarfords' marriage) the film is exploring. > >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. Bill Harford doesn't really showmuch recognition in th emorgue scene. The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. WebSynopsis. And coming from the newsgroup'sresident acid-headed, solipsistic zombie. I enjoy the mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the film again and again. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing.>, > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ziegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectively> interpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlier> events of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeply> suspect account? In fact, the only actual dream in the film is unseen, is onlylater described - namely, Alice's dream/nightmare about having sexwith numerous men (strikingly similar to the fate of the women atSomerton) in which Bill is openly humiliated, and told to Bill justafer he returns from Somerton. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. The goal of yoga practice was to STOP all that useless babble---because that is how a person actually makes the breakthrough to see reality as it is. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<. Statanic mass? >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? He's eventually discovered and forced to remove his mask but is saved from a bleak fate by another masked woman who tried to warn him to leave earlier. <<<<<<<<<<. "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. Poor Clark. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. It's pronounced Paw-rick, not Pad-raig. Orgy? Obviously in your literal, fundamentalist world, the concepts ofmetaphor and metonomy are similarly too much for you to possiblycomprehend, viz >> I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. A part-time hobby soon blossomed into a career when he discovered he really loved writing about movies, TV and video games; he even (arguably) had a little bit of talent for it. >on the balcony looking down> at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. >>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. OT. WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a In contrast, why does the masked woman seeminglyalready know much more than they do? He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the filmitself, there is absolutely no indication - other than Ziegler'sdubious contention - that Mandy is also the masked woman at Somerton.There could even have been two deaths. Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. >>Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >>her voice in his head while looking over the body. I recognized the voice of the mysterious woman first time I saw the film. When we see the naked corpse's face from the overhead shot, at first it's hard to tell if it's really Mandy's face, because of the expression and the angle, her combed back hair etc. And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Imay bewrong, but I think Kubrick intended it that way. The second half of Eyes Wide Shut sees Bill being given ominous warnings from this secret society, and he can't seem to find his mask from the party. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. :>released around the same time, The Ninth Gate. The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. That is a possible explanation. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. Tragically it was the director's final film with Kubrick dying less than a week after screening an incomplete cut for the studio and its stars. Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. > The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as > though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be > confused.>, > 2. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. <<<<<<<<<<<>. And the Somerton ritual is alsoambiguous; how, or rather why, for instance, does the masked womanupon first meeting the masked Bill, assert with such certainty that"You shouldn't be here", then followed by repeated warnings that hiscontinued presence at the ritual will get him in trouble? Same voice. Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very. I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. The Daily Planet may go under too. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". Same voice. So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. (4) With many people using Google maps-gps/satellite views scouring the earth, his Fortress of Solitude could be exposed. (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? Tom Cruise in the Masked Ball ritual scene from Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece Eyes Wide Shut with Jocelyn Pook's haunting score filling the temple. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. As opposed to arborescent: two contrasting concepts central to muchphilosophical debate over the past few decades (see, for instance, thework of philosophers Deleuze and Guattari). Eyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubrick's final movie starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but what does the mask on the pillow near the end mean? Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." Harry, you are calling him a troll for criticizing your manic, vain and pretentious word salad? I think this feeling of > guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. andpleading with her to take off her mask? >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. Amazing. But he still wasn't sure after reading the news story, or even aftervisiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanationindicated. He then breaks down crying and confesses to Alice his misadventures of the past few days. 0. Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. We need some upstart director and SK devotee who can channel SK, to Make EWS part 2. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he >> was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom.>, > Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professional> doctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety than> about Mandy's actual wellbeing. But the worst thing is your silly and smug arrogance. > Mandy was not the same woman. <<<<<<<. When Bill goes to the hospital, he asks to see patient Amanda Curren (sp), the name he saw in the newspaper. Does anyone else sense the inspiration of the mask designs from the film Eyes Wide Shut? It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. How? Desire is always Other. I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. > But the credits have Abigail Good as> "mysterious woman" and Julienne Davis as Mandy. Orgy? 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