MICHAEL MEANEY: Yeah, you can't touch that. And all over the political spectrum, from Hollywood lefties to social conservatives. Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. Never mind, you're stuck with small boobies." Listen to the first three stories of the "Inheritance" Radiolab Podcast (Control + click on link to access podcast. JAD: Thanks to Olov Bygren, reporter Pejk Malinovski and KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Karin Borgkvist Ljung, and I'm a senior archivist at the National Archive in Marieberg in Stockholm. ROBERT: But the story he told us begins around 25 years ago. DESTINY HARRIS: I do mean that. What happens, it'll get stuck to one little part of the DNA and now that little bit of DNA And these things are called, apparently, methyl groups. That was it. We had an expression here, "Dig where you stand." ", PAT: In other words, "Could I pay women who have drug problems to stop having babies?". Like, "How did this happen? Although, you know, sometimes that your grandfather's suffering helps you. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Whats this letter right here? FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: He had no idea about DNA. This is real physical-chemical interaction between what's going on in the environment and what's going on with the DNA. Okay, well of them, don't really know what happened to her. Is it a big town? Plus, find other cool things we did in the past like miniseries, music videos, short films and animations, behind-the-scenes features, Radiolab live shows, and more. PAT: I asked Barbara about some of the things that she'd said because, to be totally honest, they kind of turn my stomach. I said, "This will be the last one. Meaning that they had less incidence of heart disease? Everybody we talked to seems to think there's something really interesting going on here. ROBERT: And that advantage, whatever it was, because it starts with one individual, and then it gets passed onto the kids, and then onto their kids, it would take a long, long, long time to spread through the whole population because, generally, that's how evolution works. Something happens on the molecular level. It's only the mechanisms are not so clear. CARL ZIMMER: Is your wife going to hear this? And well just let the old yahoos from whom we inheritedededed inherited it take it away. They could eat twice, three times as much. If you were a boy in verkalix between the ages of 9 and 12 years old, that's the window, 9 to 12, you're a boy, and then we have one of those terribly rough winters, and you're eating much less than normal. OLOV BYGREN: The results are there. A lot of times that's not the case. Welcome to the Grammys of government-funded research. ROBERT: Because the Soviets, they believe in Karl Marx's idea that human beings were an improvable species, that if you can change the conditions around people, you change the people. ROBERT: And it just so happens this town is a perfect place to dig. Knock it right off the DNA. SAM KEAN: It does, it does make kind of a folk sense. ROBERT: So then the one that's in trouble, so thats one of one of eight? You know, you've got all these chemicals around. Listen Jan 20, 2023 Don't you see, somehow the mother's tongue is getting all the way down in there and going [mumbles] and messing with the baby's DNA. That doesn't matter. She and I snuck away from the children into her office. The lady knew why we were there. I know what I'll do, I'm going to set up a terrarium for them and I'm going to make it hot, really uncomfortably hot. like they could be whistling six tables over in a restaurant and he would turn around and be like, "Stop that," it was like it was scraping his very nerves. Push yourself and you got it.". It means what if grandpa has a bad day? The critical part of this Is that all these changes wake up this little gang of proteins. You're finishing college, right? He's the guy who told us about Olov's work. Maybe you can explain this to me, Robert. And Destiny was in the other room, sleeping or something, I'm not sure. He's not just talking about toads anymore, he's gone way beyond toads. Thyroid hormones then get into the brain and they turn on certain neural chemical signals. SAM KEAN: No, they did not have them on land. Yes, no, okay, move on to the next cage, yes, no? What they decided to do first was to try to figure out which rat was which, which meant, interestingly, counting all the legs. Yes, she has the same name as me. Completely answer all questions in Section I AND Section IV. So were getting close to the moment of truth, because there it is. That you're just renaming it. [laughs[ So yeah, it's embarrassing, but I believe everything happens for a reason. She asked my opinion and that's what I'm giving. And if you haven't, you can choose to have an IUD, or an implant put in which will last for several years. JAD: No, not brain cells. I mean, it's pretty common but like, here's a for instance, my dad from my entire life had this thing where if someone was whistling, he would. I'm the founder and director of Project Prevention. And Destiny was in the other room, sleeping or something, I'm not sure. And so, her name is Kalia. Also, thanks to Carl Zimmer whose latest is. So we're going to leave you with a story from our producer, Pat Walters, about one woman's radical A few months ago, Pat made his way down in North Carolina, to a small suburb outside of Charlotte to visit this family. You know? ROBERT: Just for those years. JAD: What happens, it'll get stuck to one little part of the DNA and now that little bit of DNA FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Is very difficult to get at. Barbara Harris. The show is nationally syndicated and is available as a podcast. And eventually, over the millenia, what youd get, is a creature with a very long neck. This is spooky because it's like JAD: It means what if grandpa has a bad day? You know, just take a little peek for themselves, and every time SAM KEAN: Kammerer said no, they were his specimens. Yes, but creating an assumption that there is a class of people who don't deserve to procreate, who aren't worthy of procreating the human race, leads you down a path that we should have great concern about. Your boys will first grow taller and taller for the next few years, and when they get to be about 9, 10 years old, they're going to stop growing just for a few years. Nice, cool water. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Who, together, pledged more than $150,000 to her program.]. RADIOLAB Podcast "Inheritance" Homework Assignment Name: Rohan Desai PSUID: 9 6241 8529 Listen to the first three stories of the "Inheritance" Radiolab Podcast (Control + click on link to access podcast. They present previous theories on evolution and then present the currently accepted Darwinian Theory of Evolution. The kingdom archive. I mean, the idea that they could be constrained by their DNA, that maybe one of us gave them a bit of DNA thats gonna hold them back? Yeah. At this really marvelous place called the Vivarium. PAT'S MOM: Radiolab is produced by Jad Abumrad. JAD: But according to Kammerer, here's what happened when he heated up the toads little cage. JAD: What can't you? He thought that because theyre swinging hammers all day, they got big bulky muscles, and then theyd pass the muscles to their children. CARL ZIMMER: He actually named his daughter Lacerta, which is a genus of lizard. JAD: Visited Kammerer's lab when Kammerer wasn't there. By Recode Staff Updated Oct 25, 2017, 12:01am. They have six, seven, eight, ten, fourteen.]. If you've already had a kid, you can be sterilized. Darwin's theory would have said, you know, 90% of the toads are going to die. You're obviously a great mom, but that feels cold to me. Let me say this again. And I've got say, I'm feeling pretty good about this show so far. ROBERT: If you were a great rat mommy, what would you be doing with your rat baby? There were four girls and Barbara and Destiny told me that a few years ago they found three of them and they all either were in college or had finished college. Twitter: @wnycradiolab Language: English Contact: WNYC Radio 160 Varick St. New York, NY 10013 (646) 829-4000 Website: http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolab/ Email: radiolab@wnyc.org Episodes Golden Goose 2/17/2023 More We'll just get one more.". "She's born and tested positive for PCP crack and heroin." PAT: She actually emailed me afterwards and adjusted that number down a couple hundred. I mean, he hates water. They like to hang out in the water and the females like to lay eggs in the water. SAM KEAN: Except he had one. Covid has disrupted the most basic routines of our days and nights. And she says oftentimes the women who want help have a really hard time finding it. She'll be two in January. You can't see that on the radio but, hey, it's a fact of life. MICHAEL MEANEY: Known as transcription factors. All rights reserved. SAM KEAN: And these effects, in fact, were so strong that you could trace it to the grandfather. Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. PAT: Yeah. You can do this. LYNN PALTROW: Are there people whose drug use is so out of control they can't parent? In this episode, originally aired in 2012,we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. Kinda makes me claustrophobic. Radiolab 50.3K subscribers Subscribe 29 1.5K views 6 months ago On this episode, the case that pushed one Supreme Court justice to a nervous breakdown, brought a boiling feud to a head, and. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: You have to do that for five hours a day for six consecutive days. Never mind, you're stuck with small boobies." But she says she doesn't feel that way anymore. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Barbara Harris says she's convinced more than a dozen women], [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Have accepted her offer to be sterilized in return for money.]. She should be with me. And according to Barbara, the majority of the women she pays are white. Researchers have found evidence of structural. Actually, the idea itself is pretty old. I just got custody of my eight-year-old son. LYNN PALTROW: I think I was really horrified and terrified. Radiolab is a radio program broadcast on public radio stations in the United States, and a podcast available internationally, both produced by WNYC.Hosted by Jad Abumrad, Latif Nasser and Lulu Miller, each episode focuses on a topic of a scientific and philosophical nature, through stories, interviews, and thought experiments.. Harris says her program, children requiring a caring community, or CRACK], Can prevent thousands of unwanted births to drug-addicted women. And at first, it didn't go so well because, you know, if you're a land toad and you're trying to have sex in the water, it's kind of hard. PAT: Have you ever had someone call or write you and say that they regret their decision? If your grandpa didn't starve, instead he lived through great times. Higher frequencies of heart attacks. So FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: So we start looking at maternal care. Kalia came too. And he said, "Barbara, I'm not buying a school bus." Who now works at Columbia University. Its a terrible thought! And Destiny says she doesn't really care DESTINY HARRIS: I got these genes from somewhere, but I kind of feel like she was a surrogate, like she carried me for my real mom. Did you know there is a part of this show is gonna be like crazy breaking news, like happened yesterday and we already have a deep take on it? ROBERT: Okay, so lets get going and stick with your boy, Lamarck, just for a sec. Were less prone to diabetes. So that was just funny to me. It says, "Race of Supermen." JAD: You got your good parents and your bad parents. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, Panel: What's the worst thing you have been called by one of your critics? And I was a waitress, I worked for IHOP for over 30 years. ROBERT: So if they saw somebody who was starving as a kid in 1820, they could then see, "Well, when those people had children and grandchildren, did anything change? We ended up talking to the guy who did the work. I mean, they didn't have porridge. KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Cancer. Mamaw was the one I'd come to see. DESTINY HARRIS: To her, I matter. Who are they? What do you mean? SAM KEAN: Darwin's theory would have said, you know, 90% of the toads are going to die. No, not brain cells. JAD: Its an idea thats been kicking around for me since my kids were born. DESTINY HARRIS: Oh my goodness. Thats just the cold logic of Darwinian evolution. KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Yes, he was retarded. Can you say oh my goodness? About 30 years ago-. I wont say too much more except it includes one of my favorite kind of scientific parables that like Ive ever heard. PAT: In this magazine article, Barbara even said, quote, "We don't allow dogs to breed. MICHAEL MEANEY: What happens when moms lick their pups is that the pup beccomes aroused. Radiolab Society & Culture Science Latest Transcripts What Up Holmes? PAT: Lynn has become one of Barbara's fiercest critics. And then that baby would stretch and stretch, and it would give a little more stretching to its baby. Like, mine are bigger, you know." "To Whom It May Concern, I have been doing very good. She's 20 months old. Isaiah's in college and Taylor and Brandon, I met them at Barbara's house and they seemed to be fine. ROBERT: That's Sam Kean again. Full disclosure, she's Robert's sister's partner. ROBERT: I think what's weird here is that is that we started trying to make a difference in our children and now we're surprise attacked by our grandparents. SAM KEAN: He was really one of the first grand theorists in biology. Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. Kalia came too. MICHAEL MEANEY: That activates maternal behavior. She carries your kids for nine months and you're like, "That poor male toad.". ROBERT: [laughs] "This may hurt you my son, but I'm doing it for my grandchildren.". One time, and I'm on flighter. Radiolab: From Tree to Shining Tree LISTEN Three guests: Suzanne Simard, a professor of forest ecology and teacher at the University of British Columbia, Jennifer Frazer, a science writer that has a blog called The Artful Amoeba, and Roy Halling, a mycologist. [ARCHIVAL Clip, Panel: Well, I mean, Hitler thought that if you were Jewish, that you had given up the right to be a mother and hed sterilize people as well. SAM KEAN: He was known for going around and giving, what he called, his big show lectures, where he would wow whole audiences of people. All these women who have so many babies and never try to seek drug treatment. Filled with dozens of letters from women that she's paid. PEJK MALINOVSKI: This is the verkalix church parish record. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and chan In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations.Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. It might be a mixture. You know, when smart people say, you know, "There's no such thing as nature and nurture it's only interaction of the two," You're like, "What the hell does that mean?" Well, the DNA, the RNA, micro-RNAs, histone. One time, and I'm on flighter. LYNN PALTROW: The fact that you're motivated by a really beautiful, important value, that we want healthy kids, doesn't mean the mechanism you're using is going to end up helping those kids. ROBERT: That's interesting. [chuckles]. You know, the fact is that taking care of animals, trying to keep them alive in a building is not an easy thing, especially if it's 1903. So he actually went to Vienna. Yeah, it was a very attractive theory to them in Moscow. At once and we're watching 40 litters at a time. OLOV BYGREN: Well It's one-fourth, we can we say. It's a very different kind of front line, where urgent work means moving slow, and time is marked out in tiny pre-planned steps. From pneumonia. JAD: So imagine the DNA in that brain cell. We talked to her for a little while and At a certain point the social worker pulls out a stack of papers. And right now, I'm student teaching. They willed the neck to get longer, the muscles to get bigger. Please welcome Barbara.]. You are not God. JAD: And I know fate is gonna give them a couple random mutations in those genes. Kammerer, for one, was sent off to work as a sensor for the Austrian military. a rat mother licking her baby can have such a profound effect, basically change the expression of the genes in the baby, well that's hopeful. JAD: Michael and Frances looked inside the brains of these rats and what they saw was that the rats who had been licked a lot as babies, they had more stuff in their head. PAT: Isaiah would sleep and he would scream. Or does it get passed on such a deep level that doesn't even require teaching? So. All the babies I had seen and all the people that have called me to tell me about their babies that were damaged. Apparently, those grandkids SAM KEAN: Were less prone to diabetes. This lady right here is still taking drugs and she could be pregnant again next month.]. They have found very similar effects for smoking, for instance. The kingdom archive. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Well lets lets read the book first. You know what they're going to go do with that money. And since Kammerer kept the heat up, toads basically had to stay there, in this watery place that they had not evolved for. Sat her on my lap, with her little dress on and her little curly hair. And since Kammerer kept the heat up, toads basically had to stay there, in this watery place that they had not evolved for. Radiolab is a radio program produced by WNYC, a public radio station in New York City, and broadcast on public radio stations in the United States. I don't like to upset people. ROBERT: Because it's got the thing stuck to it? The next stage, yes, no? And I packed up my stuff, it's pretty much done. The authoritative record of programming is the audio record. JAD: Because here's the thing, the churches up in verkalix kept incredibly detailed records. Like Id be like, Weve got the keys, were gonna trash the house., LATIF: Anyway, we think about that all the time and I was just talking to Lulu about that and she was just like, You know, theres a radiolab about this.. This is Radiolab. You're slippery, partner's slippery. It's a little odd, actually. Like. To learn more about higher level giving opportunities please contact the Development Office at giving@nypublicradio.org or (646) 829-4130. You can't change your DNA. JAD: So now, the genes can make the proteins that make the rats a good mom? And youre saying that part of the DNA is covered up? Theyd basically starve. ROBERT: Thats what Darwin says, you cant. So some scientists began to ask Kammerer if they could look at his toads. So he's got to live his life as a toad with all this baggage on him? JAD: It's writer, Sam Kean again, and here's, he says, what you need to know about the midwife toad. 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