Paul ratchets up the rhetoric when facing down serious error coming from Hymenaeus and Alexander: Some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. LOL! What do you think you can do differently to appeal to the masses that you should be trying to save?. 5,107 posts. But it meant a lot to me that he noticed so much more than that. Futurism/Transhumanism I think Im living proof that you can start bad and finish good. I cannot believe I just read this comment on a Christian site. They are not rightly preaching the word, along with a long list of other prosperity teachers. What are our motives in the confrontation? Discernment loads of accusations with no documentation.. I wanted to be open: drifting isnt always Im leaving Christianity, Im going to start doing sex, drugs, rock and roll Drifting can be as subtle as taking your foot off the gas, going: Its too costly to keep pressing on, Im just going to slow down a bit. We need to examine our hearts. - Christine Caine. is one of many scriptures that come to mind, I love that you are always willing to name names, as we are required to do in Romans 16:17. They were completely syncretic with the pagan worship of that day. I would ask you to reconsider listening to Meyer or Caine, there are many ladies ministries that are genuine and follow The Lord, if I were you Id seek those out, and always text whats taught against what the Bible really says, scripture twisting is a favorite pastime of wolves everywhere! A Berean? At one point, 24 years ago, holding a toilet brush, I laughed out loud and thought, Wow, this is not what I thought ministry would look like. Here she is twisting a scripture that warns against false teachers, that is actually rebuking those who warn against false teachers something the false teachers often do. And the pain of recovery will be greater than the pain of the injury, but if you do it, your leg will be stronger than your other leg for the rest of. We asked Matt Redman what listeners can expect from Lamb of God, how he defines success and why we need to be singing more about the holiness of God. Do you think theres a lack of urgency in Western Christianity, because were too comfortable? Karen you just dont get it! All rights reserved. It is articles like this and people like you that make people afraid to go to church. Spend more time building your character than trying to build your platform. Listen as they unp. It sounds exhausting and it would be if I was striving but its a response to the invitation of God. That's probably why I'm so intense, passionate, and serious about my faithbecause it wasn't a light decision. The prolific writer and speaker has written openly about her experience of childhood sexual abuse and a raft of other challenging life events in her latest book, Unashamed. She notes that the severity of her cancer above her larynx was undermined by people who would say it was not a big deal but she notes that it became surreal to her the moment she was lying on the operating table with a scalpel at her throat. Why do you cite verses out of context and with no relevance to cause fear and that let see through such envy and bitterness? Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth (Revelation 2:14-16). 34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. But when I was 33, I found out that I had been left in a hospital, unnamed and unwanted when I was born, and then I had been adopted. Believe it or not, I used to believe very similar to youthat as a woman I had no power to influence other men, that I was to simply shut up and do as I am told by the men around me, etc. Im watching people deconstruct their faith, prominent leaders renouncing Jesus. The FIRST thing you should do when you have an issue with someone is to confront THEM. Its been shown over and over how these two (Caine, Meyer) twist scripture, and theyre supporters keep buying it. Your absolutism leaves people out or puts them in little pigeonholes that fit with your rigid logic of scripture. You cant add or take away from the gospel and thats what they are doing. We won't be quick to criticise or condemn. Although a lot of bad things happened to me, my life is a testimony that God can talk the bad things that happened to you and turn them around for his glory. Not every purveyor of false teaching is a lackey of the Devil. People who post here are haters and not lovers of Christ! bringing swift destruction upon themselves their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep (2 Pet. Pressing on in todays culture is costly. That is the CLEAR difference. 6. A religious liberty newsletter that is a must-read for people of faith. We're able to rescue girls, see them restored, and help them rebuild their lives. Visiting Sydney from her California base to attend Hillsong's Colour conference this week, Caine says she was "all in" for Christ from the moment she . Theres a great difference between having a healthy conscience, and shame, says Christine. This new book is incredibly timely; did you start planning it before lockdown happened? The fact that there is no mention of a man has been used to deduce that she was a widow. Though they may not be spot on in everything, they are still teaching the gospel and people are coming to Christ. Yoga. A couple years after that, I ended up in a local church in Sydney, where I really started to grow as a disciple of Jesus.It shows you that there is a spirit realm to all this, which gives me great faith for the gospel around the world. II John 9-11. Youre making this a personal issue, when its not. Why Cant Us Men Tell Each Other How We Feel. Eschatology (End Times) This emphatic language demonstrates the fervor of Pauls attitude toward those who would modify any part of the gospel he preached. Again, Peter did not continue in the Judaizing error but was corrected. In 2016, Christian author Carey Scott was the victim of plagiarism by a major celebrityinternational speaker and evangelist Christine Caine. I know there is a BIBLICAL way of calling someone out for false teaching, and anonymously posting on a site behind their backs is NOT IT. Jesus. Thank you, Amy, for cleaning this up. 23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. You guys sound more like a Witch Hunt than Christians bad example for Christianity. You dont think theyve been approached?? I read the title and I thought WHAT! Totally agree with her being a false teacher and not a pastor as its not Biblical. Thats the sign of a person whos self-promoting through public pugnacity. Read out White Paper on the Word of Faith Movement, Christine Caine, Complementarianism, Elizabeth Prata, Heresy, Hillsong Church, Joyce Meyer, New Age Movement, Occult, Sin, spirituality, Word of Faith. God bless you, may He open your eyes to His truth, and may He be a lamp unto your feet! The priest was the one who read the Biblenot the congregation. Their end will correspond to their actions., How is what you are doing here promoting the gospel of truth? In numerous instances, the Bible commends believers to ostracize those who will not repent of their false teaching. Grace be with thee. Heck, Christine taught me to get more diligent about making disciples and you found a way to completely trash that. If your soul has been wounded before you come to Christ, it will likely still be wounded immediately after. Having worked with A21, which is a top flight global organization fighting human trafficking, and seeing that the common thread in this and other articles criticizing Caine was the fact that she dares to preach to menwhile ignoring the prophetesses and judges in the Bible that God choseI was inclined to support her. First of all to those defending Christine Caine, the bible Gods Word, makes it very clear -women are not to preach,so quit defending her,and attacking us warning others not to follow her for their own good, instead take it up with God and argue with Him if you dont want to listen to his commands and have issues with them, tell God he is wrong ,not us.Why dont you read His word instead of lazily listening to people who you obviously are unable to discern if they are leading you off of the path , its about Him not these false prophets. Then mankind graduated from a belief based on laws, as we all did growing up under the laws and rules of our parents, and came to live in a belief based on faith. Where am I?So I thought:OK, Im gonna put it all out there. They are the ones who voted for Obama and Hillary. Versus voting for Trump, who is on his THIRD wife and trying to read quotes from Two Corinthians? It certainly has been the fight of my life to get to the place of trusting God to redeem the broken pieces of my past for his glory. My immediate family were great, it was just that they allowed people into our home, that they should have been able to trust, that were untrustworthy. We rebuke it because we dont want people to be misled. I thank God for all of the women who followed the call of God and took up their crosses, facing so much opposition in the process. We say things like: God will use the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, (1 Corinthians 1:27) and then when he does, we dont like it.My goal isnt to be a career Christian. They took half of my thyroid; I won't need any more medication, and there is now no trace of cancer in my body. 40.2K followers. But Christine Caine is here to speak above that noise with the truth of how God sees you, and who he's created you to be, so you can make his name famous! Elizabeth Prata of The End Times lays out six reasons why Caine must be avoided like the plague. Who will replace retiring Rick Warren at Saddlebacks Helm? Word? Is there any significance attached to the fact that Aquila is not named first every time, but equally shares mention with his wife? There's not often this instant physical healing. Christians are commanded not to worry, as we know our God is bigger than any situation, we are to lay at His feet ALL of our cares, He provides. This is so dumb. If you cannot or will not refute those who contradict then you should not be a pastor. Its sad and disappointing that this site calls for us to throw the baby out with the bathwater and ignore Christines call for us to keep winning souls for Christ. We read that stuff, but I dont know if we really believe it. The pandemic has caused people to drift from so many things faith, church, relationships. What scriptures did you use? Nobody talked about that stuff. For Christine Caine, healing and strength has come from spending time reading the Bible and allowing it to sink in, as well as being part of an encouraging supportive community of friends and a local church. Caine reportedly copied entire portions of Scott's book, forcing Scott to take legal action to settle the issue. At the beginning of the class, and many of the students were skeptical. Permissions Weak and shallow theology is taught, and many grab onto it because they do not read Gods word as intended. But I will stand by comments regarding Caine, Meyer and all those that are still playing on peoples emotions while passing off a diluted version of scripture, once again if Ive offended anyone it was not intentional. What are you making your God? Why do you think you receive this feedback? Presumptuous, ridiculous and like a Christine Caine sermon unbiblical. We think discipleship is: Im going to be a better version of me, Gods going to give me whatever I want, Im going to live my best life now. Instead of this kind of criticism, you should do as they do, pick a subject on your experiences, teach & encourage pole to walk in Jesus Christ. I have heard Ms. Caine speak at two different womens conferences (It is my understanding that the Bible is ok with women teaching women), and her call for us (as women) to not be distracted by todays divisive, politically chaotic climate and to remain focused on winning souls for Christ spoke to my heart. Warn them, lovingly. Emergent Church (Romans 16:17-18). When I became engaged to my husband, Nick, I did a round of what I would call deep, intensive counseling. Please show me where one called out wolf has been accused without documentation. I pray that you would humble yourself before the mighty hand of God. Neither should you. 03422292). In your workplace, on your street, in your community, in your home, to be an authentic, passionate follower of the Lord Jesus Christ in this era in the West is extremely costly. Youll find her corrupt theology lacking. I have felt my fervor for studying and deepening my walk with the Lord be VERY attacked by your making a similar comment. I was full of shame, guilt, anger, unforgiveness and bitterness. You obviously have no clue what it is you are talking about and have never heard any of these people speak. The hogwash that comes out of Caines mouth, tells me so. You cant see the difference between calling someone out for false teaching or calling someone out for being a woman in charge. You think this would say some kind of socialized when it isnt. God is good and God does good, but bad things do happen to good people. I am hard pressed to think of a single Christian speaker or author who I agree with 100% of the time (based on my understanding of scripture), but I am discerning enough to know what to discard and when to take note of a truth they are speaking that I need to apply to my life. 27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. Jakes' denial of the Trinity, to Christine Caine's Word of Faith heresy, to Lysa TerKeurst's teaching of contemplative prayer. They teach women and if men listen to them so be it. Dont mistake love of the world for the true love of God, His Son, and His scripture. . Christine Caine is an Australian born, Greek blooded, lover of Jesus, a sought-after international speaker, author and activist. 18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 24 And the Lords bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will (2 Timothy 2:24-26). During the interview, Christine shared the story of how, at the age of . Ive had non-Christians call out amazing observations about my character (both good and bad) and speak unbelievable truth into my life.I even grew to fall in love with the scripture through being challenged about the path to salvation by a cult member! 3:3). "If you had asked me, I would have told you that I had no time or margin to fit in a physical health battle. Simon the Magician tired to grab the power of the Spirit the wrong way and he was cursed for it. So Ive got to do exactly what Im telling anyone else to do. I spend most of my time focusing on my OWN Bible study through prayer and time in the Word, as it is important for me to grasp a solid understanding of His word for myself (with the backing of the Holy Spirit) BEFORE I start delving into what other people have to say about the Bible, commentaries, and like. God gave you a lifeboat. Perry teaches mostly among Reformed circles and does not subscribe to Word of Faith doctrine, according to a recent Twitter post. This Hillsong Bible teacher overcame a childhood of sexual abuse to become a fearless crusader for Christ in the fight against human trafficking. What we have learned in this last year, if we hadnt known it already, is that you cant put your hope in anything else. You sit there and judge others who are you to judge. The couple also run a network of churches in Europe, as well as Propel Women, a ministry that aims to equip women to fulfil their God-given purpose. Priscilla and Aquila came alongside Apollos and explained to him the way of God more accurately (Acts 18:26). Study of the two commandments Jesus left us would be better use of your time. I really hope no one reads this and takes it seriously. They are never mentioned apart. I am not at that point where I would feel confident before Him doing the same, so I only ask that you understand. I was honored when my former boss (who is male) told me that seeing the way I live my life inspired him to get back into his Bible and find a church for his family, as he had walked away from his faith after 12 frustrating years of Catholic school. Our western culture and the western church has become so syncretized with New Age animism that many Christians cant tell the difference. In retrospect, Caine says she had to endure much despair in order to have a story of healing but it was because she ended up learning a lesson she thought she already knew. Its time for us all to check our markers. It comes across as VERY condescending, haughty, and insulting, as if you are laughing at someone who is too stupid to go elsewhere. If marriage alone (or in the case of a woman) who wants to minister or have a place in some form of leadership or influence in the church is only legitimized in ministering through the oversight of her husband, then that would appear to be highly problematic for 2 reasons: 1) What then is the role of Jesus as our heavenly/spiritual husband (as emphasized in Mathew 25/ Isaiah 54:5)? Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. Maybe you should stop thinking in the us v. them scenario. As Ive said before, if this is leading people to Christ or causing teachers to repent, then AMEN. The Judge is standing at the door! James 5:9, But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. James 3:14, who are you to judge people, especially servants of God I believe that instead of writing false things, I pray God gives you the same discernment concerning your life. Christines book Unashamed is the third in a series including Undaunted and Unstoppable. Here is a Pastrix Caine sermon review. Why cant you say hey, its great you are working on your evangelismhere are some better resources I recommend because of ___? I will NOT throw out that message.. It is not for me to judge you but maybe you should learn to shut your mouth. Christine decided to allow God to begin the process of healing and restoration. Evangelist Christine Caine's 60-Second Testimony. And that brings us to our second point. International evangelist, author and activist Christine Caine had to fight for years to really trust God and truly believe in his goodness. Eventually people who are following God will see that. Marin, before you apply anything to your life from C. Caine perhaps you can use your discernment to see the wolf under the sheep costume. Is the author of this post aware of the prominence of women in Jesus ministry? But then I met Jesus, I was 8 years old when God gave me a prophetic vision. I have a friend I have started sharing my faith and studying the Bible with (GASP, and Im a WOMAN! Beth Moore teaches the same thing, but oh my goodness! What I went through in 2016-2017, I think God was preparing me for what everyone else was going to go through in 2020. Spiritual Formation Why, because God has called them to that profession. When the bestselling author, internationally acclaimed speaker and leader of multiple international organisations appears on our morning Zoom call, she is straight off the treadmill, laughing and apologising for her appearance in a sorry-not-sorry way that epitomises her no-nonsense attitude. I dont think I ever felt I could write it before now, because its the biggest thing that Ive had to struggle with throughout my whole life and my Christian life. How do you know that? Im sure they used scriptures to defend themselveswhich ones did they use? So I am just not comfortable speaking about ministries or people I have not had interactions with. Wow. Read what the real women of God did in scripture, neither Cain nor Meyer fit the model. However, by the end of the course all of our eyes were opened to identify animistic and occult practices. If needing to a second time, warn them lovingly again, seasoning your speech with salt. Currently you have JavaScript disabled. Privacy I was also surprised, because I never shared my faith with him (after all, Im a woman, and we know believers like you wouldve burned me at the stake for sharing my faith with a man). More thankful than I have words to express right now," Caine said in her blog. Its taken her a lifetime, but world-travelling preacher, author and rescuer of trafficking victims, Christine Caine, is finally free from shame. When you're weak, hurting, uncertain, and afraid, one of the. Amy, I am all for lovingly correcting others or discerning scriptures. I did grow to understand the writing style of scripture and understand why Lydia, Priscilla, and other women of the Bible were called out in specific order. As soon as I walked in I knew, This is what I've been wanting all my life. In other words, false teachers become subject to the churchs discipline. What Christ? Their two hearts beat as one. We can even look to the ways that Christ and the apostle Paul corrected and confronted false teachers, and your method STILL does not hold. Choosing to Break My Victim Mentality - Christine Caine, Christine Caine and Victoria Osteen join Laurie Crouch on TBN's Praise to discuss how it is possible for everyone to be redeemed from a broken past through Jesus Christ. Beth Moore regularly travels to speaking and teaching engagements without her husband, as well as these others. use to defend their position. Contemplative Prayer I need to follow the scripture, which means to start off with lovingly going to them one-on-one, then taking a witness, and then taking it before the church. Then you cant judge anything outside of your sphere, and you judge me because I do make a judgement, I dont need to see C. Cain personally to hear one of her sermons or Joyce Meyer either, just pick up one of their books, watch one of their videos and their words either accuses or excuses their actions. 22Many will say to Me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? 23Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness., Man was made in Gods image. 24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. All three companies are registered in England & Wales with a registered office address of Unit 6 April Court, Sybron Way, Crowborough, TN6 3DZ . 14 For if you remain completely silent at this time, relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place, but you and your fathers house will perish. New Age A number of conjectures have been put forth why Priscilla comes first at all in the references to them both. He wasn't helping me. I listen to Christine Caines messages and Ive never heard anything bad. Paul wrote letters DIRECTLY to those who were out of linehe didnt write to everyone else BUT them. . You call Paul as your back up? If any human being, or even an angel from heaven, preaches another gospel (another of a different kind), Paul prays that he should be accursed. She has preached at the aforementioned Hillsong, T.D. But battles never come at convenient times, do they? . "There was a lot at stake for me. Whether you point that out or not. Theologians disagree as to whether Lydia was a free woman or servant. Thales. Maybe you should try reading the word again. I think I can share a testimony now because I have ongoing victory in this area.. 28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. All of us are prone to drifting if we do not stay connected to Jesus, who is this hope we have as an anchor for our soul.. Im only ever one thought away from thinking how I used to think, she said. Then youre not what youre commanded to do, to discern truth from error, the WORD OF GOD divides to the marrow, Paul said the Terrans were a noble people, because they cared to compared what he taught against scripture. He simply did not yet know the full apostolic message. False teachers are those who preach against Gods Word. This is strictly how a person who is not qualified, is handling scripture. The surgery in August lasted an hour and when pathology reports came back with no cancerous or precancerous cells in her throat region, Caine says she was grateful but in her selflessness, she knew someone else in her same condition would probably get a different report that day so she prayed for them instead. then I realized you are in a bad twisted place.. and if I could meet you have coffee with you see your life then that would be confirmed. 3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. I guess you guys would be the first to throw the first stone. Or when Ive pointed something on their website that was completely false, the usual response? Has the author of this article ever listened to Christine Caine? Now, on to Christine Caine. Thanks! Seems to me that a dozen apostles brought the message to millions. I was adopted as an infant and raised in a traditional Greek Orthodox home with traditional gender roles. I think this is a site for pharisees. Pray tell how? Im genuinely interested (as Im sure others are on this site) about how it went. We are all called to preach the gospel to others not only men! People tried to silence me, but God was faithful, Ravi Zacharias sins of sexual abuse went undetected for years. The most I have heard Christine Caine & Joyce Meyer teach on is forgiveness, healing process and how to move on in Jesus Christ. Breaking fellowship might seem a hard thing to do, but remember, if a sister persists in her sin or wont hear you after giving them the scriptures, that means theyhave already broken fellowship with Jesus. Im very confident that if we apply those principles on an ongoing daily basis we can walk in victory. 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