A history of this procedure could easily go unnoticed during an autopsy. It makes the crime even more heinous in my mind because it would have required a lot of thought concerning the logistics. It was the early hours of the morning, she was pregnant, fed up with airport holdups and storms, and tired. Asshole should have never been presented and damn plea deal. That seems to have been nothing but getting manicures, shopping, and making videos. Just asking a question. I approached an expert to get his take on it, and was a little disappointed by his findings: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. Its horrible. Think before you speak, Im glad he will never be out of his jail cell. Its hard to fight a larger man off of you when held down, in fear of dying and trying to gasp for air. And to come home to a cheating bum! Heartbreaking evidence photos and video of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her, wrapped her in a sheet and put her in shallow grave The. @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? I am not sure that he planned the murders. I think she died in bed after being knocked unconscious using Marks ethanol method. The detective said not really. His mom I think knew about it prior. Shananns Autopsy Report states, There is a linear array of variably sized, purple black circular defects which extend from the inferior aspect of the chin, along the jawline, up the left aspect of the face, towards the left temporal area. If you look at other cases where someone is strangled to death, the amount of defensive wounds, including bruises, is extensive. Ive slept in my bra for 25 years since I got my first breast implants. (blood chokes, carotid restraints or sleeper holds) I actually do not believe that there was any sedation to the girls or his wife. I take comfort in that, Bella and Cee Cee likely had no idea it was their dad doing that to them, but he wouldve wanted Shanann to know he was ending her life. So completely terrible. But youre not thinking any further than that. I have high praise for you, you are excellent at what you do. What was the motive? In theory, you should find some evidence, which did not find. Ive seen hundreds of bodies both recently deceased and WELL decomposed and I can assure you- while SOME bodies dedicate/urinate due to the relaxing of muscles at the time of death- its certainly not most. They probably already had an emotional conversation before she left for Phoenix and he had made up his mind to do what he did. She said on one video her kitchen has to be very clean, I know people that have spotless kitchens but rest of house is a mess. Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself. Then I think he panicked and was scared and didnt know what to do. He found her phone between the cushions. So if his parents are doing interviews and book deals, he gets it honest I reckon. I consider it strange to have them there FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO. I mean, nothing can be done of course, it is done and is over of course, I am stating the very obvious. Scares me honestly. It was on an automatic answering thing. If this is true, what a sad sad world we live in for the love of money is the root of all evil. There is no soul in his eyes. ShanAnn used everyone in service to her addiction, without really appearing concerned for how it was affecting them. He would have had more than enough access to ethanol or similar alcohols. With ShanAnn, IF she was attacked and killed shortly after she arrived home, while still downstairs, she would have still been dressed her underwear and pants would have caught it. He said it took minutes, the police reports say. https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. The attack was pure power and violence. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. Youre obviously trolling! read befor comment on subjectit is well describedecomposition did this. Shanann Watts. He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. Please, if he was worried about the kids, then why did he kill them as well. A CHOKEHOLD usually involves cutting off the air supply, (air choke or tracheal choke) a STRANGLEHOLD involves cutting off the blood supply. As far as OCD I dont believe she had it This shows how little insight you have into this case, and into who Shanan was in particular. My question is how do you smother someone with your bare handscover/press their nostrils and mouths? The paper bags are put on the hands to transport the victim after they are found deceased as to not contaminate any potential evidence around the hands, such as DNA evidence under the fingernails. Even flailing my legs they werent even reaching him. Theres really not much to say about this, right? Ethanol makes sense, especially because it could be disguised in the chemicals themselves. No, I dont believe she was drinking at all, considering she was pregnant. So while he would have possibly had more of a mess to clean up with ShanAnn than with the girls, it was contained, unlike the mess of that horrid Patrick Frazee who killed Kelsey Berreth by braining her with a baseball bat. The police reports contain a conversation Chris had with his father. It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. The Netflix show details the deteriorating relationship between Chris and Shanann, who began suspecting her husband was having an affair and felt he was suddenly pulling away from her, a fact she spilled to numerous friends in anguished text messages. I love that guy. Your email address will not be published. The FBI agents had already profiled that the wife had been strangled because theyd been through the house with luminol & found no blood splatter, and because children were involved also believed smothering was involved. The plea deal meant that he was spared the death penalty, and was instead sentenced to multiple life prison terms without the possibility of parole. I guess since theyre children and small its possible. Or do you believe his lies, that she harmed the kids and then he did same to her? ShanAnn claimed to be pulling down $80,000 a year. If you cant respect others in their opinions and input, youre definitely not intelligent. As a woman, I never go to sleep with my bra on. It drives me batty to see little Cece kick her legs in joy in the videos and to know they were stopped forever. Please God Forgive me for everything.. He stated in a letter to the reporter woman that he remembers her face streaking with mascara and blood filling her eyes. Ive been sleeping in my bra during my pregnancy- because my chest hurts all the time and taking it off even to shower is extremely uncomfortable. Have you interviewed anyone for your books? Time of death for all three victims is unknown. In his story he goes downstairs & hears commotion goes into the bedroom & sees Bella on her bed with covers off & then Shannan on top of CeCe. Everything you say can & has been disputed. He in cold-heart and with much caluculation waited for her to return Shanann did not stand a chance! Based on the clothing they were found in, probably Chris pretended to be asleep. How did Shanann Watts die? Because when he called her, he said, mom, they are searching the house. Why would he say that to her if she did not have prior knowledge? And dropped her in alive? Or carbon monoxide poisoning [something a former mechanic and oil worker would know about]. If the oil got into her stomach by being submerged in the tank then shouldnt CeCe have oil in her system too. She was pregnant some women have very sore breasts when pregnant and the bra adds support & comfort. Plenty of women do. He resented how close they all were and was sadistic enough to hurt her. Then probably went to bed & I guarantee he was in their bed not in the basement & this made her happy. Bellas stomach contained 75 milliliters of green-black fluid, the report states, which was most likely from the oil tank she was placed inside. And even if he did not kill them twice so to speak, he killed the on in front of the other with no thoughts to their fear levels or anything but yet you put all the blame on another of the victims. Page 535 If they were pliable makes me wonder if they were not deceased that long before he was able to shove them into the tanks. They obviously didnt watch the K9 body cam footage! What about rigormortis?. Shanann was wrapped in a sheet. Nickole called Christopher Watts and requested he come home and check on Shanann. Quick as law enforcement were to respond to the crime, by the time they recovered the remains of the two little girls, they had been chemical altered beyond recognition. I learned all about a Sleeper/Chokeholdhated that part of SO academy, but is a great way to gain upper-hand, control over a perp and render them unconscious with one thump of my forearm on their neck/carotid artery.,, you black out immediately! When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. If you look at the autopsy report she has purple round spots on 1 side of her face from the chin to the temple which could be his knuckles from a punch as well as a 1 handed strangulation. The lie detector test question focused solely on her, didnt even mention the kids. This is from the transcript of the Larry King Live show covering Scott Petersons conviction in the death of his pregnant wife Lacey thats Dr. Henry Lee, a forensic scientist: KING: If there were smothering, would there have been evidence? Once youre already unconscious from sleep & then start losing air from throttling it would make you very disoriented & hard to come to fully conscious state & fight back before losing total consciousness again. Are you a parent? They were out of town and it was still spotless. That goes against every human primal instinct we have, it just wouldnt happen. A . He asked to speak to his father before confessing. Peanuts and tree nuts are VERY different, and supposedly CeCe had a *tree nut* allergy coconut, not peanuts! I guess he did want to get rid of them all, and do it all over again with her. Also ethanol in the oil would not seep into the spleen in a body in 3 days to produce a high level like that, besides most ethanol is extracted through many processes prior to any petroleum company dumping the waste oil. 3. It just seems to me that Bella would actually have had to swallow the oil to get it into her stomach. There was a largely decomposed fetus expelled from the uterus. That does not necessarily equate to being a psychiatric disorder, just personal empowerment. Everyone tho he was great guy. These may have been caused by an object, such as a necklace worn by the victim, or fabric, such as heavy-duty leather (such as a motorcycle jacket being worn by the murderer), and being compressed between the arm of the assailant and the neck/face of the victim. Its completely obvious from videos that the wife was a nut job, self absorbed, controlling weirdo that undermined her husband constantly..so leave her ass!! The next morning, visible fingerprints (the circular marks on Shaanns autopsy), so visible that others took notice. Im just saying if her friend had never come over. Shes not going to carry her suitcase up the stairs because of her pregnant state, and she wasnt feeling well. Celestes was similar. I actually don't understand this and would think the opposite would actually be true. There are a lot of types online who get off on blaming victims for what others do. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. Why else would he go there with 3 bodies? (942948) Interview with NK about CW's failing marriagehe badmouthed SW a lot . Perhaps they had one via phone or text. Cuz if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. No, it doesnt. Donald, the house has bedrooms upstairs and a central family room with a couch and TV in between the master and the girls bedrooms. While officers were waiting, Christopher confessed to killing Shanann, and getting rid of the bodies of Celeste and Bella. what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids?. The HORRIFIC, worse than most of us originally thought truth; Bella and Cece were ALIVE on the drive, Bella even commented on the smell of her mothers body on the floor under their feet in the back seat because her bowels had evacuated when she died; its horrific to know that he dumped those little girls, unconscious but still alive out of fear that they would wake up again and the disgusting coward and monster that he is- he said he was FURIOUS that they somehow woke up after he thought hed killed them in thier beds. Remember that Chris was sleeping in the basement at this time so they werent sharing a bed. He said the blood alcohol is normal after you die. GPS from Watts work truck led police to the oil well. https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, She wasnt OCD, and even if she was, what does it matter? Advertisement. didnt attempt it herself. Police reportsA photo of one of the girls. Just a thought. @Nick, regarding OCD. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. No one deserves what happened to those kids and their mother-you have issues. In reading about this case it would never occur to me to smother somebody in such a fashion. Subdued and buried alive perhaps? Even if he raged and killed Shannon because she killed her girls, I would much rather be guilty for killing Shannon because she killed my babies then be a monster guilty of killing my daughters so I would have called for help so the cops could do their job and get the evidence to back up my story. My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. I always slept in a bra when I was in my 20s and 30s. Bella was wearing pink pajama-type top with images of hearts and butterflies. Poor thing. Sounds like a good theory except that Bella did fight for her life as the coroner explained by the hole in her frenulum, the biting of her tongue & insides of her cheeks. Kinda odd. I didnt see any evidence that Shanann tried to defend herself, probably because he sat on top of her. They said they found paper bags around both her hands. But think about it. Bella fought back, according to the prosecutor, Denver Channel reported. Shanann returned home from a business trip on the early morning hours of August 13, 2019. I have come to think of her OCD tendencies as a bit like the way she was around her kids. The girls were described as light sleepers, and I wonder if this was because in fact they were sleeping too much, because wow, that is a lot of sleep, even for their ages. There are no words . If Chris *hadnt* killed them, would he have gone to so much trouble to hide the bodies? In the report, (link below) stories of financial devastation, destruction of relationships, and even murders and suicides paint a vivid picture of an industry built on lies and deception a business that focuses its greedy eyes on the naive and the vulnerable. Sociopaths/Covert narcissists wreak havoc and(emotional) destruction on those around them without exception. Look up alcohol levels in postmortem state. Shed been drinking?? would that be a normal time for Chris to leave for work? Gallstones form over a period of time, raised hormone levels in pregnancy contribute to them. Nickole called Chris several times and he kept giving different arrival times. And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. I feel like maybe she did meet them. Her house was immaculate, I envy that she was able to keep everything like that. ~KSmallz. Chris Watts' plan was to make his family disappear. Celeste was found face down in that oil tank. The DA mentioned that. Shannann even said that he was like another person. I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. Then again she was dressed for bed. They say the questions had nothing to do with infidelity so it doesnt matter whether or not he had an affair. I also believe Shanann was also sleeping when the attack occurred which could explain her lack of putting up a fight. Therefore your theory is not valid. its pretty clear they went to bed like normal >>>How is it pretty clear? The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy report says. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. Even in this scenario, you would expect fingernails in his forearm if Watts managed a rapid 10 second kill. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. If we can believe his scenario, that also sounds like Shannn wasnt trying to kill her daughter like Chris thought, which meant neither of them killed her which leaves someone who must have entered the home by using an access code that wouldnt trip the alarm and I wonder who that might be ((cough*mistress*cough)) if Chriss scenario is correct of course! OCD can be like gluten-sensitivities. One body was face down in the south side of the tank. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. I wondered what became of the gas can. For starters there was only ONE cadaver dog (the Lab) who indicated only TWO places in the house the spot in the basement between the stairs and the heating system fan, and by the rear sliding door! Watts pleaded guilty to murdering Shanann, Celeste and Bella to avoid the death penalty. Maybe body positioning and gravity? I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? Kick him? Her friend had to tiptoe around the place when she stayed over for fear of waking the kids up. The ethanol levels are perplexing though; even in decomposition they are rarely above .07. I once witnessed where someone used Tequila in a hookah instead of water. Something that might help with perspective is this financial article in which a wife writes in for advice, because her husband has started sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to a cult: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10 . They did not even attend the wedding and barely knew their grandchildren from what I gathered. no she was a good mom who looked after her kids! He knew this too, which is why he was so brazen using the card that weekend. Was Niko Buried With Shan'ann Watts? Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. Also, he usually goes to the office in the morning and then goes out to the sites but the night before he called and told a coworker he was going to the site. Lack of defensive injuries. Also, wasnt her phone found in between couch cushions. The carpet was cleaned, and laundry done in the Peterson case. I know plenty of women who wear their bras to sleep, myself included. He tells his vindictive wife that he wants out. Do you think he ninja-attacked her the moment she entered the house? Infuriating! Thats the update; at the beginning of the article, theres a link to the first contact between her and the financial counselor. He was asleep. Also, I read that the kids were very light sleepers. The autopsy results aren't available, but the funeral and grave site suggest that Niko's remains were either removed, destroyed or buried with his mother. Or even creepier, but fitting the narcissist he is, asked her to lie down and talk to him, maybe even told her he was sorry and wanted to try and work things out and then pinned her down and strangled her. Heres what the autopsy says about Shananns cause of death: The autopsy report said that Shanann had a history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave. The cause of death was Asphyxiation due to manual strangulation with Bruising of the Anterior strap muscles of the neck.. Good to have a former forensic detective around. Theres a very clear indicator when the children died. Correct. 1. ( oh & yes there were handprints in both sides of her neck according to autopsy ) on his arms? but I dont think she ever went upstairs, not even to check on the girls. It appeared to be an addiction by this point it was all she wanted to do. Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. So weird. Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? Mark, that is really interesting! The graphic autopsy reports detail the condition of all three bodies after they were recovered from an oil site owned by Anadarko Petroluem, where Chris Watts buried them. I honestly believe Chris smothered them all with ethanol soaked cloths. First off lets not forget it was only after Chris failed the polygraph & then they said its time to come clean & Chris first said I had an affair, Ive been cheating on my wife, so I hurt her emotionally thats why its saying I lied. Thankyou Nick for all your studies, research and insights. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely? Im a survivor. Doesnt mean he couldnt have used his presence in the marital bed to induce her to get close to him and give him the opportunity. The coroner even said the way she was strangled is indicative of a person not putting up a fight. It wouldnt have mattered about sleeping in the same bra and panties as shed travelled in she was going to be waking up at 4am when Chris woke as shed asked him to wake her and the hair care product purchase attempt was around 2am, so what would 2 more hours mean? Mucho menos que estaba enferma. So she wasnt in rigor at the home and was likely just starting to show signs while he was burrying her at the site. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? If Shanann tried to claw his neck I would think he would have cuts there. As a former forensic detective I dont completely agree with the DAs comment that it is normal. If youre not OCD, it doesnt mean Shanann wasnt. Shanann was strangled and the children were smothered. I worry he may have had the girls dead and sprawled out waiting for her to come home and watched her reaction from the baby monitor. If Chris had not had the affair, he would not have killed his family! They were smothered. Taking it off makes the breasts throb & feel more painful. He then pursued and strangled her there. Take Jodi Arias she lured him into a shower and made sure she was armed and he was naked, vulnerable and unsuspecting when she attacked him. He said he didnt hurt Shannan just as much, Ive read all the transcripts. Again, less bad publicity for LeVel. A trillion to bullshit thats what they are!!! 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